whatisthisnonsense:

silentsnowdrop:

salty-sapphire:

“It’s a children’s show, of course they’re not going to KILL the bad guy!! They’re going to be forgiven!! They’re complex characters!!”

Okay so

The Incredibles: Syndrome is sucked violently into an air turbine and explodes. Syndrome was previously a fanboy of Mr. Incredible who got too attached and started getting in his way. When Mr. Incredible rejected him, he turned to a life of supervillainy. Despite his rough past, he was not forgiven for his actions.

Tangled: Mother Gothel slowly withers away in agonising pain before falling from a tower and turning to dust. Not once was she forgiven for emotional abusing Rapunzel for her entire life, or ever shown to be sympathetic.

Pokemon X and Y: Lysandre, a billionaire philanthropist, is shown to be a caring man who wants what is best for the world. However, he believes that since the world is running low on resources, he must activate the Ultimate Weapon and wipe out most of the life on the planet, saving only his group, Team Flare. AKA: Genocide.
Lysandre is crushed when the Ultimate Weapon is destroyed and caves in on him. Nobody ever forgives him for his crimes. The closest we get to that is his old friend, Professor Sycamore, saying that if Lysandre had taken a different path, he could have had the potential to do good.

THE PRINCE OF EGYPT (AKA THE BEST EXAMPLE OF ALL TIME): Ramesses, the pharaoh of Egypt, enslaves the Jewish population. HE OWNS SLAVES AND DOES NOT CARE FOR THEIR WELLBEING. That being said, he is shown as a loving father who would do anything for his family. Upon his death, his son, Ramesses II becomes Pharoh. Rameses II was always a close friend to his brother, Moses, and the two love each other very much.
THAT BEING SAID, NEITHER RAMESSES II, NOR HIS FATHER ARE EVERY FORGIVEN FOR THE ATROCITIES THAT HAVE BEEN COMMITED AGAINST THE JEWISH POPULATION OF EGYPT. DESPITE BEING FAMILY MEN AND HAVING FEELINGS AND ALL THAT, THEY ARE NEVER EVER FORGIVEN FOR SLAVERY

Children are not as dumb or as sensitive as you think. Children can recognise evil, and children can understand why a villain is killed off. Teaching impressionable children to forgive anyone without thought is INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS, especially in the political enironment that we currently inhabit. Teaching children that deep down, fascist dictators are people too uwu and should be treated with kindness, is DANGEROUS AS HELL.

If anyone has any other examples of children’s media in which the villain is killed and/or not forgiven for their crimes, please feel free to add.

…Most classic Disney movies has the villain die on screen and visible. Right off the top of my head, Sleeping Beauty, The Little Mermaid and The Great Mouse Detective definitely did, and Snow White, Mulan, and Atlantis probably did. In addition, Cinderella didn’t forgive her step mother (ever, I think). I can’t actually think of a Disney movie with a proper villain where they fully forgave the villain.

I mean I guess technically there was Anastasia’s redemption, but her sister and mother remained garbage cans and were implied to become impoverished from their bullshit.

Moana’s pretty much the only one I can think of, and no one’s really a VILLAIN there so much as having done a stupid or being desperate.

Yeah, but how often is it the hero who kills the villain? Only if the villain first transform into a giant monster, like in The Little Mermaid and Sleeping Beauty. The only exemption I can think of is in Mulan.

Other times, the villains end up being to blame for their own death; Scar was killed by the hyenas for trying to betray them. In Tarzan, Clayton got entangled in vines and in trying to cut himself free, got hanged. In Beauty & The Beast, Gaston had the opportunity to get away safely, but instead chose to try and kill the Beast again, which resulted in him falling to his death. Jafar’s pursuit of power eventually ended in him obtaining infinity power, but at the prize of eternal servitude and imprisonment.

You may notice that a lot of these deaths carries a theme where the villain receives a karmic punishment for their crimes, most of the times because they have gotten so stuck in their villainish ways that they refuse to stop.

As a last note, I will mention that all the examples used by OP are from movies and, in the case of Pokemon X & Y, video games, and they can generally get away with more than TV shows. Not to say that villains can’t die in children’s tv shows, but it happens a lot less often than in movies and games.

And while I agree that teaching children to forgive anything is bad, I don’t think teaching children to forgive a redeemed villain to hero is bad. If the villain is willing to take steps to becoming a good person and changing their ways, and make up for what they did, I don’t think teaching forgiveness is a bad idea.